To celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Schools' Mace, we catch up with six winners from the various decades to find out how the competition shaped their lives.
1966 - Helen Taylor, Professor Emerita, Curator & Author
I think my partner and I were the first all-girl team to progress beyond the regional contest. The motion, presumably designed especially for us, was ‘This house believes in equal pay for women’. I had no idea women weren’t paid equally, so this was my first introduction to feminist issues, and made me a feminist for life. I don’t remember much about the event – but I recall the thrill of having my photo in The Observer [which ran the competition from 1957-1995], being fêted for our female triumph, and being interviewed on the Today programme. The male presenter patronised me horribly, then asked ‘Don’t you think boys might be put off by your success?’ Thrown by this absurd question, I responded in a way that made me the laughing-stock of my fellow schoolgirls, saying: ‘Well that’s not the only thing they’re interested in’. I think my headmistress and parents were shocked to the core.
This success was a wonderful boost to my confidence and career. I developed debating and public speaking skills that have stood me in good stead all my life – in my career as an academic, literary festival curator, broadcaster and speaker. Later that year I began studying English at University College London, and after graduation was awarded an ESU scholarship at Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge. I spent two great years there, becoming deeply involved in feminist and black politics, and falling in love with southern literature, which I then taught on my return to the UK.
Debating teaches you to create and shape arguments, to flex your intellectual muscles and learn how to persuade and cajole. It’s something all young people should learn because whether making a case against your local councillors or simply challenging your friends, you need the skills to listen, respond and make coherent arguments. My experience in the competition gave me the confidence to challenge people and fight for what I believe is right.
1970 - Dorothy Byrne, Head of News and Current Affairs, Channel 4
My convent school in Blackpool was not particularly academic, but the nuns thought I would make a good MP, so encouraged me to enter the Mace. The man they brought in to teach me had a rather unusual approach: I was made to stand on a table to deliver my speech while he shouted and swore at me. I was very taken aback but he insisted I carry on talking and shouted ‘Don’t let me intimidate you!’ It worked: my friend Frankie Jordan and I beat Stonyhurst College at the regionals and went on to the finals at City of London School.
I remember there was a dinner beforehand: us and a lot of posh boys. We sat quietly and I tied my hair back and put on glasses, even though I didn’t need them. The boys made it clear they thought we were pathetic convent school girls.
The motion was ‘Should we allow the South African cricket team to come to play in Britain?’ When I began speaking I took off my glasses and undid my hairband – and we blasted them to smithereens. They were surprised to see us win. We weren’t – we were passionate about the inequality of education in Britain and wanted to prove that we were just as good as them.
It was an extraordinary confidence boost to have beaten all the top schools. I went on to Manchester University and then volunteered in Nigeria before pursuing a career in the media. When I worked at ITV I would sometimes be shouted at by other journalists but I just told them I’d been trained to carry on talking!
It saddens me to think that it is still mainly boys at private schools who are taught to debate. All children need to be able to figure out arguments for and against different topics, and to be able to judge politicians on their arguments. We are not in a post-truth world.
1980 - Michael Marmur, Rabbi
My friend Daniel and I had an exciting time at the final of The Observer Mace in 1980. We were both residents of North London in those days, but for religious reasons we needed to stay nearer the venue on the night following the competition. A kind family with an apartment in the Barbican agreed to host us. While my memories of the actual debate are somewhat fuzzy, I remember getting lost in the labyrinth of what was then a recently-constructed building complex.
In the debate itself we were asked to oppose involvement of athletes in the soon-to-be-held Moscow Olympic games, which America was threatening to boycott. It was a good subject for a debate – topical, controversial, and one which could be argued convincingly on either side.
Daniel and I are still good friends, and we still live close to each other – in Jerusalem. I am now a Reform rabbi and I serve as provost of an academic institution which trains rabbis, cantors, educators, communal professionals and graduate students in Israel and North America. I use the ‘muscles’ I learnt to exercise in debating just about every day – when I am teaching, delivering sermons, participating in meetings, giving talks, grappling with the issues I care most passionately about. Luckily, the competitive aspect of debating is something I have been able to leave behind. Rather, debating as a way of working in a team: thinking clearly, paying attention to the structure and elegance of an argument, making good use of language, asking yourself what matters to you and the people you are engaged with, listening closely to what is being said – these are skills that have stayed with me.
A few weeks after we won, our headmaster showed up at my home carrying a long bag, which turned out to contain the mace itself. I don’t know if cricketers get to place the urn with the ashes on their mantelpiece during breakfast, or footballers place the FA
Cup next to their eggcup, but I can certainly recommend dining in the presence of a prestigious trophy! The mace was returned to the organisers after some time, but the skills and friendships that went along with the process have lasted a lifetime.
1993 - Amanda Pritchard, Chief Executive, Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust
Debating and this competition have had a huge impact on my life. I took part in 1993, just two years after my school, Durham Johnston Comprehensive, had started a debate club. It was unusual for a school so new to debating to have a team do so well. And we were unusual in that we were the only comprehensive school in the final and one of the only ones in the competition. We felt we beat the odds a little! The whole experience was another world for me, in the earlier rounds we competed in schools that looked like castles. It didn’t ever occur to us to find it intimidating though – we just thought: ‘bring it on!’ I remember the motion was ‘This house regrets the end of the Cold War’, but I can’t remember if we were for or against, or what I said at all. What I do know is that debating helped me become much more outward-focused. I started reading The Economist and learnt so much through researching topics for debates. It stops you being insular and makes you engage in the wider world.
Debating gave me confidence in standing in front of lots of people, thinking on my feet and responding to questions I hadn’t prepared and it also helped me to be able to break down issues, think them through logically, and present my arguments coherently.
I’m now the Chief Executive of Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust, one of the largest providers of hospital and community services in England, with £1.3 billion turnover and 15,000 staff treating over 2 million patients a year. It’s a complex strategic and operational role with competing agendas and multiple stakeholders and I think the skills I learned by debating have helped me enormously. It’s important to think through complexity and not be overwhelmed by it, which debating helps you to do. And relentless positive energy helps too!
2000 - Philbin Bowman, Comedian & Journalist
The competition happened at a strange time in my life. My older brother Jonathan died that March. Eight days later, I was scheduled to debate. The organisers offered to let my partner and me qualify automatically for the next round. I remember clearly saying: ‘No. I’ve been thinking about my brother’s death every waking moment for a week. I need something constructive to focus on.’ My brother was sharp, funny and highly argumentative. So it was quite healing to honour him by doing something he loved. ‘This House should Fear China’ was the motion and we were opposing, arguing that China could be a valuable ally.
As a teenage boy in a single-sex school, debating was a fabulous way to meet interesting girls. A few months after winning the Mace, I went to university, and realised there were interesting girls everywhere. In my first term, I gradually fell out of love with debating but ended up in stand-up comedy, which requires a lot of the same skills: confidence, clarity and the crippling need to make strangers like you. Tragically, in recent years, I’ve become serene and contented. As a result, my comedy career has plummeted.
In 2005, I wrote a show called Jesus: The Guantanamo Years. The basic premise was that Jesus Christ returns to Earth but He doesn’t get through US immigration – because he’s a bearded Middle Eastern guy, prepared to die as a martyr. To my amazement, the show sold out and then toured to London’s West End, the USA and Pakistan (during a state of emergency).
These days, I work as a reporter for arts shows on children’s radio and Ireland’s national radio station, RTE 1 and, once a week, I conduct tours at the Little Museum of Dublin, where I try to summarise 1,000 years of Irish history, with jokes.
Debating helped me to hone skills that I use every day. By far the most important skill wasn’t arguing. It was listening. How else will you persuade your parents to let you stay up late or your teachers to give you less homework? And how else can you convince other people that they’re obviously wrong?
2014- Louis Collier, ESU Mentor & Student at the University of Oxford
I started debating when I was 11, largely because my older brother was a member of our school debating society. With the help of a series of excellent coaches, I progressed steadily, and was put on the Mace team in Year 12. The competition held particular appeal for several reasons: it was one of the biggest tournaments of the year; the motions we pre-released, so the quality of speeches tended to be very high; and my brother had lost in the final the previous year. By the time we reached the later stages of the tournament, my partner, coach and I were spending entire weekends preparing our speeches. It was exhausting at the time, but it paid off, first in the England final, opposing the motion ‘This house would abolish juries’, and then in the International Final in Edinburgh, where we opposed the motion ‘This house would abolish faith schools’, and defeated the team from Scotland.
In my final year at school, I, along with three others (one of them my Mace partner from the previous year), was selected to the World Schools team to represent England at the 2014 World Championships in Thailand. From worrying that the tournament would be cancelled because of a Thai coup, to practising for hours in the basement of the English-Speaking Union, to ultimately defeating South Africa and being crowned world champions, it was an opportunity I feel truly privileged to have been granted. Since then, I’ve become a student at Oxford University, debating sporadically, and have also coached twice at Debate Academy, a summer course which I attended as a student.
Taking up debating was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I’d urge everyone to try it; whether improving your ability in interviews, quashing a fear of public speaking, or simply learning how to make good arguments and to always consider the other side’s point of view, the skills it teaches are invaluable throughout life. For me personally, though, debating has also given me unforgettable experiences: crushing lows, massive highs, and some of my closest friends. I’m truly grateful to everyone who helped me along the way.
What is the Schools’ Mace?
Founded in 1957 by Kenneth Harris of The Observer newspaper, the Schools’ Mace is the oldest and largest annual debating competition for secondary school students in England. Students work in teams of two proposing or opposing pre-released motions. To find out more click here.
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